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Are we suckers? Truth or Fiction?

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You tell me… truth or fiction?  Your carseat NEEDS to be replaced every six years because according to the manufacturer… it has expired.

I did not have a clue about this fact until partway through this pregnancy and was informed by my sister.  The date is supposed to be imprinted on the carseat itself and is on average SIX YEARS from the date of manufacture, so if yours had been sitting on the shelf for a year at the time you purchased it then you’ve got even less use time out of it.

I think most everyone would agree that you obviously don’t want a carseat that is quite ancient as it probably going to have less safety features etc.  We’ve all also heard not to buy a carseat second hand since you don’t know if it has been in an accident or not.

But what’s a stretch for me (and even more so for my dubious, doubtful skeptic of a husband) is that a carseat that you have been in possession of for six years somehow magically expires for unknown reasons.  It just does. 

The thing is, they know they have us.  How can you expect a new mother or father to disregard the instruction that they are putting their teesny, tiny newborn into a vehicle with an unsafe carseat?  New mothers are notoriously unstable and irrational and so help us…do not mess with our instincts.  We know what is best for our baby, and don’t you forget it.

I read about a mother who after a late miscarriage, had kept her Graco carseat stored in a closet indoors.  It was more than 6 years before she was finally pregnant again and after calling Graco to ask whether the expiration applied to her or not since the carseat had never been used…. it was brand new in the box!  Graco’s answer was… “An expiration date is an expiration date.”

The only explanation I’ve heard is that the plastic can wear down after time and heat exposure making it “less safe.”  What’s funny though and what was pointed out by our neighbor and fellow skeptic, is that the webbing and straps in the car itself somehow meet the safety standards without a 6 year expiration date. Although I’m sure if the car company’s thought they could get away with it, they would declare that all cars were expired after 6 years as well and must be replaced!

Here are three reasons listed from Safety Squad

Technology changes 
Car seat technology is always evolving, as are vehicles’ ability to secure seats properly and consistently. Before 2002, Lower Anchor & Tethers for Children (LATCH) did not exist.  Now it’s a common system by which car seats are installed. 

Materials wear out
Plastic stresses and warps. Straps and fabrics fray and rip. Instruction manuals get lost or destroyed. Important instructional labels fade, tear or fall off completely.

Manufacturing landscapes change
Your manufacturer may no longer stock replacement manuals and parts. Maybe the company has gone out of business entirely.

In my opinion, those reasons do NOT support a blanket expiration date for carseats.  It supports investigating each point they bring up and seeing if your carseat would fall into one of those categories and therefore need to be replaced.    I’m sorry, but losing the instruction manual does not mean the seat is no longer safe.

On the skeptic’s side of the argument is this old excerpt from the NY Times!

There are federal laws regulating safety standards for car seats, but no expiration dates, according to the federal National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
Graco Children’s Products, one of the largest manufacturers of child restraint seats,  says it does recommend throwing out a car seat after seven years or so.
That is not because of danger that the plastic is degenerating, said David Galambos, compliance and safety manager for child safety systems with Graco, a unit of Newell Rubbermaid.
“It’s not as if you’ll hit the expiration date and the plastic will become weak,” he said. “The plastic is good for at least 10 years. But regulations and standards are constantly changing.”
“We’re not seeing any disintegration until a minimum of 10 years,” he said.
Despite rumors that float around the playground and the Web, extreme weather has no impact on the life of a car seat, Mr. Galambos said.
Sooo, two big arguments disputed by a spokesman of Graco!  1) Weather has no impact on the life of a carseat and 2) The plastic does not suddenly break down after 6 years.
What, what???

Sometimes though, the facts don’t really seem to matter, do they?  Heaven forbid you approach this argument in your mommy group.  Shock, disbelief and general disdain are what awaits you. How can you be a good mother if your child’s safety is not worth shelling out another $100?  Wouldn’t you rather be safe than sorry?  Do you really want to test your theory using your own kids as guinea pigs?

After reading the documented reasons for replacing a carseat, and deciding to focus on those facts instead of fear and feelings, I think you examine your particular carseat and replace it ONLY if those reasons (outdated technology… no 5 point harness or latch system… frayed webbing… cracked plastic… missing parts, etc) actually make it unsafe.  

What’s your opinion?

Hopefully, I’m not about to flamed or judged or kicked out of the good mommy club.

13 Responses to Are we suckers? Truth or Fiction?
  1. Amy
    August 13, 2010 | 1:43 pm

    I so understand your frustration, and until recently shared the same. Abby and Bek shared all the same seats, but we had to get new for Sarah. After having my kids in a high impact car collision, I would only use an expired seat if it had never been used. When you think about all we put the seats through and our kids on top of that, I would not want to risk it at all. Seeing what a seat can withstand and seeing my child walk away from what only God kept my family alive through, I would buy a new one! Six months ago, I would have had a different opinion.

  2. Sherri
    August 13, 2010 | 2:36 pm

    Renee, I'm TOTALLY with you!

    And carseats I really can't discuss with other Moms at all because it seems no matter WHAT I say, I'm gonna get myself in serious trouble! LOL!

  3. Brownie
    August 14, 2010 | 12:51 am

    Thanks so much for doing the research on that!

    I have a carseat that can "grow" and turn into a booster seat. I had planned on using it until Red didn't need it anymore – but it would have put it past the expiration date. I'm going to keep using it! yippee… so glad I ran across your blog!

  4. Sam
    August 14, 2010 | 1:07 am

    Ha, shell out another $100. Yeah, maybe if you don't "care" about your baby. Try $350 every six years. That's my wife's opinion. Even though our van is 10 years old and the seat belt and seat and everything in and out of the car is 10 years old we have to have the best, non-expired car seat.

    I'm glad I don't blog anymore because I would not have been as tactful as you.

    What a scam they have been running on people. Not me though. Next they're going to give bicycles, swing sets, and toys, expiration dates and then shame you into abiding by them.

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  6. Marie
    August 29, 2013 | 5:22 pm

    Stumbled across this after doing a Google search. I am so glad you wrote what you did! I feel the same way. Am trying to sell two, Britax Boulevard convertible seats that are in great condition and “expire” later this year. Oh boy. The comments that flew at me on Facebook, Craigslist and two other sites I listed them for sale. Phew!! Wow. Totally shocked me. I just don’t see how these two seats will magically be “unsafe” later this year after our daughter has used them without issue, or accidents. I just hate the thought of taking them to the dump. I also hate being told off by other parents online. I actually cried after some of the mean comments said to me. Ridiculous.

  7. zoya888
    January 7, 2015 | 6:53 pm

    I agree completely! It’s not like it’s a timebomb. It’s plastic. Aren’t we trying to recycle because plastic takes hundreds of years to decompose? And that’s for flimsy water bottles. So I think a good visual inspection and checking for the current safety features is the way to go.
    I love that you mentioned cars expiring. That’s where my brain went when I learned about car seat expiration. I wonder if the car seat manufacturers manufactured the whole thing.

  8. Chloe D
    January 24, 2015 | 5:57 pm

    You are so right. I have been trying to find documented facts on this ever since I found out about expiration dates on car seats. This is such a SCAM! I can’t believe Americans still go for this type of non-information made up by the manufacturers to get people to buy more and always more. People are stupid enough to fall for this without questioning the facts. It is sad for this country. And what about the recycling of a car seat…

  9. Evelyn
    January 25, 2016 | 3:29 pm

    Thank you for writing an argument against the obvious scheme with some sense.
    This subject sometimes makes me crazy when it comes up. So much feat mongering out there!

    • Evelyn
      January 25, 2016 | 3:29 pm

      Fear*

  10. Angie
    January 29, 2016 | 4:44 pm

    I can’t believe people believe this garbage. If plastic breaks down from heat and cold, maybe the toddler car seats would be affected, but infant seats are Not left in a car. U bring the baby in and out in that seat. I can understand if a car seat is super old, common sense says get new, but what a great way to get car seat companies money. I tried to give away a expired seat on a free site and got blocked for it. Like a poor kid would be better off with a expired car seat than without one. Smh

  11. Kristen
    February 18, 2016 | 11:42 am

    I feel so bad that companies and media feed off of the American public’s fear mongering. I have two used car seats that work perfectly and I don’t intend to buy brand new ones just because these large corporations are trying to scare parents into buying new things. That’s what our culture is all about…new, new, new and it’s so sad to me. Thanks for great insight on this blog. Now let the mother shaming begin for me…please note, it won’t change my viewpoint and I know I’m a great mom, so don’t bother;)

  12. Anthony
    April 26, 2016 | 10:42 am

    What bothers me even more is i would like to donate my carseat to someone that may not be able to afford to buy one them selves. I think goodwill throws them out if they are expired.

Are we suckers? Truth or Fiction?

travelbaby
You tell me… truth or fiction?  Your carseat NEEDS to be replaced every six years because according to the manufacturer… it has expired.

I did not have a clue about this fact until partway through this pregnancy and was informed by my sister.  The date is supposed to be imprinted on the carseat itself and is on average SIX YEARS from the date of manufacture, so if yours had been sitting on the shelf for a year at the time you purchased it then you’ve got even less use time out of it.

I think most everyone would agree that you obviously don’t want a carseat that is quite ancient as it probably going to have less safety features etc.  We’ve all also heard not to buy a carseat second hand since you don’t know if it has been in an accident or not.

But what’s a stretch for me (and even more so for my dubious, doubtful skeptic of a husband) is that a carseat that you have been in possession of for six years somehow magically expires for unknown reasons.  It just does. 

The thing is, they know they have us.  How can you expect a new mother or father to disregard the instruction that they are putting their teesny, tiny newborn into a vehicle with an unsafe carseat?  New mothers are notoriously unstable and irrational and so help us…do not mess with our instincts.  We know what is best for our baby, and don’t you forget it.

I read about a mother who after a late miscarriage, had kept her Graco carseat stored in a closet indoors.  It was more than 6 years before she was finally pregnant again and after calling Graco to ask whether the expiration applied to her or not since the carseat had never been used…. it was brand new in the box!  Graco’s answer was… “An expiration date is an expiration date.”

The only explanation I’ve heard is that the plastic can wear down after time and heat exposure making it “less safe.”  What’s funny though and what was pointed out by our neighbor and fellow skeptic, is that the webbing and straps in the car itself somehow meet the safety standards without a 6 year expiration date. Although I’m sure if the car company’s thought they could get away with it, they would declare that all cars were expired after 6 years as well and must be replaced!

Here are three reasons listed from Safety Squad

Technology changes 
Car seat technology is always evolving, as are vehicles’ ability to secure seats properly and consistently. Before 2002, Lower Anchor & Tethers for Children (LATCH) did not exist.  Now it’s a common system by which car seats are installed. 

Materials wear out
Plastic stresses and warps. Straps and fabrics fray and rip. Instruction manuals get lost or destroyed. Important instructional labels fade, tear or fall off completely.

Manufacturing landscapes change
Your manufacturer may no longer stock replacement manuals and parts. Maybe the company has gone out of business entirely.

In my opinion, those reasons do NOT support a blanket expiration date for carseats.  It supports investigating each point they bring up and seeing if your carseat would fall into one of those categories and therefore need to be replaced.    I’m sorry, but losing the instruction manual does not mean the seat is no longer safe.

On the skeptic’s side of the argument is this old excerpt from the NY Times!

There are federal laws regulating safety standards for car seats, but no expiration dates, according to the federal National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
Graco Children’s Products, one of the largest manufacturers of child restraint seats,  says it does recommend throwing out a car seat after seven years or so.
That is not because of danger that the plastic is degenerating, said David Galambos, compliance and safety manager for child safety systems with Graco, a unit of Newell Rubbermaid.
“It’s not as if you’ll hit the expiration date and the plastic will become weak,” he said. “The plastic is good for at least 10 years. But regulations and standards are constantly changing.”
“We’re not seeing any disintegration until a minimum of 10 years,” he said.
Despite rumors that float around the playground and the Web, extreme weather has no impact on the life of a car seat, Mr. Galambos said.
Sooo, two big arguments disputed by a spokesman of Graco!  1) Weather has no impact on the life of a carseat and 2) The plastic does not suddenly break down after 6 years.
What, what???

Sometimes though, the facts don’t really seem to matter, do they?  Heaven forbid you approach this argument in your mommy group.  Shock, disbelief and general disdain are what awaits you. How can you be a good mother if your child’s safety is not worth shelling out another $100?  Wouldn’t you rather be safe than sorry?  Do you really want to test your theory using your own kids as guinea pigs?

After reading the documented reasons for replacing a carseat, and deciding to focus on those facts instead of fear and feelings, I think you examine your particular carseat and replace it ONLY if those reasons (outdated technology… no 5 point harness or latch system… frayed webbing… cracked plastic… missing parts, etc) actually make it unsafe.  

What’s your opinion?

Hopefully, I’m not about to flamed or judged or kicked out of the good mommy club.

13 Responses to Are we suckers? Truth or Fiction?
  1. Amy
    August 13, 2010 | 1:43 pm

    I so understand your frustration, and until recently shared the same. Abby and Bek shared all the same seats, but we had to get new for Sarah. After having my kids in a high impact car collision, I would only use an expired seat if it had never been used. When you think about all we put the seats through and our kids on top of that, I would not want to risk it at all. Seeing what a seat can withstand and seeing my child walk away from what only God kept my family alive through, I would buy a new one! Six months ago, I would have had a different opinion.

  2. Sherri
    August 13, 2010 | 2:36 pm

    Renee, I'm TOTALLY with you!

    And carseats I really can't discuss with other Moms at all because it seems no matter WHAT I say, I'm gonna get myself in serious trouble! LOL!

  3. Brownie
    August 14, 2010 | 12:51 am

    Thanks so much for doing the research on that!

    I have a carseat that can "grow" and turn into a booster seat. I had planned on using it until Red didn't need it anymore – but it would have put it past the expiration date. I'm going to keep using it! yippee… so glad I ran across your blog!

  4. Sam
    August 14, 2010 | 1:07 am

    Ha, shell out another $100. Yeah, maybe if you don't "care" about your baby. Try $350 every six years. That's my wife's opinion. Even though our van is 10 years old and the seat belt and seat and everything in and out of the car is 10 years old we have to have the best, non-expired car seat.

    I'm glad I don't blog anymore because I would not have been as tactful as you.

    What a scam they have been running on people. Not me though. Next they're going to give bicycles, swing sets, and toys, expiration dates and then shame you into abiding by them.

  5. […] and have a few posts from the past to share while I’m gone!  This was originally posted here, August, 2010. Edited as […]

  6. Marie
    August 29, 2013 | 5:22 pm

    Stumbled across this after doing a Google search. I am so glad you wrote what you did! I feel the same way. Am trying to sell two, Britax Boulevard convertible seats that are in great condition and “expire” later this year. Oh boy. The comments that flew at me on Facebook, Craigslist and two other sites I listed them for sale. Phew!! Wow. Totally shocked me. I just don’t see how these two seats will magically be “unsafe” later this year after our daughter has used them without issue, or accidents. I just hate the thought of taking them to the dump. I also hate being told off by other parents online. I actually cried after some of the mean comments said to me. Ridiculous.

  7. zoya888
    January 7, 2015 | 6:53 pm

    I agree completely! It’s not like it’s a timebomb. It’s plastic. Aren’t we trying to recycle because plastic takes hundreds of years to decompose? And that’s for flimsy water bottles. So I think a good visual inspection and checking for the current safety features is the way to go.
    I love that you mentioned cars expiring. That’s where my brain went when I learned about car seat expiration. I wonder if the car seat manufacturers manufactured the whole thing.

  8. Chloe D
    January 24, 2015 | 5:57 pm

    You are so right. I have been trying to find documented facts on this ever since I found out about expiration dates on car seats. This is such a SCAM! I can’t believe Americans still go for this type of non-information made up by the manufacturers to get people to buy more and always more. People are stupid enough to fall for this without questioning the facts. It is sad for this country. And what about the recycling of a car seat…

  9. Evelyn
    January 25, 2016 | 3:29 pm

    Thank you for writing an argument against the obvious scheme with some sense.
    This subject sometimes makes me crazy when it comes up. So much feat mongering out there!

    • Evelyn
      January 25, 2016 | 3:29 pm

      Fear*

  10. Angie
    January 29, 2016 | 4:44 pm

    I can’t believe people believe this garbage. If plastic breaks down from heat and cold, maybe the toddler car seats would be affected, but infant seats are Not left in a car. U bring the baby in and out in that seat. I can understand if a car seat is super old, common sense says get new, but what a great way to get car seat companies money. I tried to give away a expired seat on a free site and got blocked for it. Like a poor kid would be better off with a expired car seat than without one. Smh

  11. Kristen
    February 18, 2016 | 11:42 am

    I feel so bad that companies and media feed off of the American public’s fear mongering. I have two used car seats that work perfectly and I don’t intend to buy brand new ones just because these large corporations are trying to scare parents into buying new things. That’s what our culture is all about…new, new, new and it’s so sad to me. Thanks for great insight on this blog. Now let the mother shaming begin for me…please note, it won’t change my viewpoint and I know I’m a great mom, so don’t bother;)

  12. Anthony
    April 26, 2016 | 10:42 am

    What bothers me even more is i would like to donate my carseat to someone that may not be able to afford to buy one them selves. I think goodwill throws them out if they are expired.